Monday, June 8, 2015

DISC 936 adtv 's Rekindling the Reformation's "THE FOURTH MAN IN THE FIRE"

 Please allow me to suggest to Y O U, dear reader, to go too www.amazingdiscoveries.org and type in search bar this 936 DVD.l
     My many thanks for the privilege, of transposing PhD  Walter Veith's and staff fine work, within this DVD.  The Title speaks of Christ as HE protected  Daniel's three friends, because upon the threat of death by fire, they obey God's law and refused to bow before an image of the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar. This can be found in Daniel chapter 3, in the Bible.

      Today, world-wide, there is such a huge attack upon Jesus Christ, that it boggles the mind, as to what is spoken of Him, and what is taught about Him!

                        WHAT IS TRUTH?

    John 18:38  "Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the                            Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all."

     No fault at all, and YET he was condemned to death, in one of the most cruel and humiliating ways, by Crucifixion!  
     However even after nearly 2,000 years the question remains, "What is truth"?  If one finds, had not one best hold onto it? Let's go into the ONLY source we have about God and TRUTH!

     John 17:17  "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
Do not many today say "Thy word is myth?" Yet is man, the best place to one's trust? After all men do lie, do they not?
     John 14:6  "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the                              Father, but by me."

Note: Jesus was either truthful, or earth's greatest ever lier, do you agree? However please remember it was two woman who found His tomb empty, and even today in that region of the world, a woman's word is not worth much, then or now! So if this is a false narrative, why chose females to witness facts???? Yet even the World Council of Churches, say that Jesus was mistaken in John 14:6. [Please know that this organisation is today run and controlled by the Friends of Jesus Society AKA Jesuits, who were formed by Loyola in 1540 and blessed by Pope Innocent, to root-out all dissidents to Rome via the Inquisition!This was the beginning of Rome's policy of "Believe as we say or die"! {Think Isis is something new?}

     Psalms 119:151  "Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth."

     Psalms 119:142 " Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth."

      These are the definitions of truth within the Holy Bible, The King James Version, the same one that the Vatican calls that hateful book! The same book that is hated by much of the world, because like a Mirror, it reflects human 's dirt, which is sin, and none enjoy seeing their true reflection covered in filth, right? Yet they refuse to allow Jesus to clean them up, but they rather keep on wallowing in the filth of sins, to have "FUN"! How much fun can be gained when we loose family, friends and jobs, and even self-respect?
     1.  Few, around the world fully believes in Creation as in Genesis ONE! Even the Popes say it's an                        allegory!
     2. Few, believe in a literal universal flood, yet refuse to answer why there's "Bone Beds", due to animals                   floating and collecting, then as they still do now, as pictures in the news show us today.
     3. Matthew 24:39 " And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also                  the coming of the Son of man be."    Even calling Jesus a liar, is no problem for many!
      4: Under attack then are Jesus, The word of God, and His Commandments as shown in previous posts                "They have Voided Thy Laws".

                              TRUTH SOON FOLLOWED BY APOSTASY.

    We know that the early church, up to about 100 A.D. had the Truth, but that soon was added and mixed with the apostasy of Paganism! This came from Rome's Constantine in 321 AD, under his degree for the "Venerable Day of the Sun-god SUNDAY worship, which the Roman church accepted and men lived with it ever since! Therefore all who worship on the First day of the week obey Rome, and disobey God!

    Thus history has given us: TRUTH---APOSTASY-----REFORMATION'S SEARCH FOR TRUTH.

     These reformers had re-discovered the Bible Truths, just a Ezra found the old hidden scroll for the word of God! Thus came the cry "SOLA SCRIPTURA" THE "Bible and the Bible Only"  "Sola Christos," Christ and Christ alone.. It was by the Reformation that truth was re-established, and denounced as error by Rome, who claims to be the only truth then and now! They began in 1541 via the first the Dominican Monks and latter with the Jesuits Rome began a COUNTER REFORMATION which is still in full swing today, and the why of this series of RESTORATION, "Rekindling the Reformation"
    Is it not a fact, that which is written in the Bible, is no longer believed to day, in as much as 96% of Christian believers, as literal?   If the Reformation brought most back into the God's Truth, yet today most reject it as written? Do we not ne3ed another Reformation of TRUTH?

     But what happens when one rejects truth/light once accepted?

     Hebrews 10:38 " Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have                                        no pleasure in him."
NOTE: all who believe in the "Once saved, always saved," dogma of man!  Look.....

    Matthew 12:43-45   "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry                                              places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my                                        house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation."
    So, if you have allowed the Holy Spirit, to clean you of sin, your body is a temple for the Holy Spirit, but if you reject it and return to your old ways, then here we are told that it shall be SEVEN times more filthy than before! {see the words in blue, above?}

     Is this generation more evil, than previous ones? Look around you in the news of the day, the Press and the Media make a big deal from a cop shooting a black man, but nary a word nor a thought about the 1,000's of black youths who die at the hands of other blacks! In most Progressive run cities, in this nation, so I ask "Is there a connection"? WE, ALL are children of God, and there truly is only ONE!
   If Y O U have a doubt, about our sin-filled world, just read these three chapters, IF YOU DARE..Matthew 24, Mark 13, and, Luke 21. with knowing that a woman's 'travail" means labor pains, that become closer together and increasingly more intense, with all the woes.

    Joshua 24:14  "Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the                               gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye                              the LORD. "
     Psalms 25:5  "Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait                             all the day."
      Then as today, there's a choice that has to be made, chose the Truth of god, or the lies of men, for they speak for the deceiver, Satan!
   
    DO Y O U know that of all the human religions on earth, there is still only ONE GOD that offers SALVATION and eternal life? Mohammad, Buddha, Shiva, no other man-made gods offered anyone salvation, as NONE gave their Son as payment for the wages of sin as did The Father-God!

    Daniel 3:29-30  "Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any                                thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces,                and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this               sort.  Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, in the province of Babylon."

    1 Corinthians 8:4-5  "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) "

Note: God knew that men would make "gods" from wood and stone and gold, that can not move, hear, breathe nor eat, yet men needs to see, touch, and, feel gods, right? Today, they are our "Stuff"! As in a $3 grand stereo in a $500. car!

      Even today there's but ONE Religion that has atonement and offers salvation to to anyone who honestly repents, the Religion Christ founded, within His Church! No other religion offers this....NONE! No, not even the Jewish faith, that rejects their Savior Jesus Christ!
     Luke 13:35  "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall                         not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the                             name of the Lord."      Not until as an individual accepts Christ as their Messiah, their savior!
     
          TODAY'S BUZZ WORD----ECUMENICAL UNITY---  "A CONVERGENT CHRIST"

IN today's P.C. climate, it is close, if not fully hate speak, to say Christ and Christ only, for there ins no other name under heaven, to The Father.

Teilhard Chardin* "dreamed of a humanity merging into 'God' and each realizing his own godhead at the Omega Point. This belief has inspired many of today's New Age leaders."
* Dave Hunt and T.A. McMahon, "The Seduction of Christianity: Spiritual Discernment in the Last Day {Eugene OR- Harvest House Pub. 1985 p.80}

** "in fact Chardin is one of the most frequently quoted writers by leading New Age occultists.
Gary Kah, En Route to Global Occupation [Lafayette, LA. Huntington House Pub. 1992 p.41

 Please note: Teilhard Chardin, was the "Think -tank" for the U.N. on matters of the occult. He was also a Jesuit Priest, thus no surprise there!

    This "Omega Point", is presumed to be when all the powers of earth, converge and earth becomes a the One World government run by the Vatican, from those who have to those who need, Fascism. De Chardin writes..... " a general convergence of religions upon a universal Christ who satisfies them all: that seems to me the only possible conversion of the world, and the only form in which a religion of the future can be conceived"... De Chardin, P.T. Christianity and Evolution. Collins. p. 130.

     For this to become fact, truth MUST die! Right?  We must give up the idea of a Jesus Christ as as our Personal Savior, and accept the "Cosmic Christ" other speak of!  In short truth must die!
     QUESTION: "Who beyond Satan , always stands against God and His Truth? So now Y O U know the source of all this "Heifer-dust"!  A "Conglomerate Christ", one who embraces every thing?

     QUESTION:  Will that "Universal Christ, be Jesus Christ? 
      No, that is impossible for.....

     Hebrews 13:8  "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

    Ruth Montgomery, "Strangers Among Us" [New York: Coward, McCann and Co.; Geoghegan, 1979. p. 251.
R. Montgomery, one of the "Heralds of the New Age", tells us that her spirit guides stated: "In the twenty-first century, the soul of ANOTHER PERFECTED BEING will return to human incarnation..."

So we are to expect another virgin birthed Messiah, according to this New Ager? Such rot!

    IBID p 252  Montgomery's Walk-in friend, Michael, also wrote: "...Christ will arrive at the beginning of a New Era, after the shift and chaos. But it WILL NOT be the man who was ONCE incarnate and known as .........Jesus. It will be ANOTHER WISE ONE."
NOTE: Michael this name means "He is who God is", is surely not living up to the meaning, is he?

Ton C. Lyle, "The Magic Power of PRAGMA-PSYCHICS (West Nyack, New York: Parker Publ, co, inc, 10760 p.25........
      Tom C. Lyle, writing about the "fabulous New Age" says..."The appearance of ANOTHER MESSIAH has also been anticipated."

     Well, Satan sure has been dreaming overtime, to pass on this hog-wash, right?......
 
    Joshua 24:15  "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;                    whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods                   of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

Then as now, each one of us must chose, to hearken upon the words of God, or those of men. It is written that God can not lie, but men sure can!
    Hebrews 6:17-20  "Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the                                                  immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:  That by two immutable things,                               in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."

      Titus 1:2  "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"
Why then are so many taking in by Satan?
   
      2 Thessalonians 2:10-12  "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because                                           they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this                                      cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all                                        might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Note: Thus in their own words, this Universal Christ shall NOT be Jesus Christ, but their "Cosmic Christ"!

   Now as Jesus said in John 14:6, that ONLY by Him can we go to The Father, then who is this guy? Their Universal , or Cosmic Christ? Now does this not produce a great controversy? Does this not put truth and error, one against the other?
YES, it does, but then if God can not lie, then it must be all these men that are lying to us, right? Is this not unlike "One can't eat the cake and still have it?"  Now I (JB) ask Y O U dear reader, "Can you tell from the color, or smell of the water, in a glass, if there is a poison mixed into it? If yes is it lethal if consumed?   Now ask yourself this question: "Is all that comes from men and their lies, lethal to my hope of eternal life?" Then make a choice to be believe God or men!  Because.....

      Revelation 22:11 " He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:                               and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."
.......in the end, this is what separates the righteous from the filthy.


     As you should have been able to deduce from this page, is that many many people pooh-pooh, the Bible stories, about a Creating, and Salvation God is just old wives tales, and that these are just too wise and far too intelligent to fall for all that, right?  Yet this also God foresaw....
    Psalms 14:1  <>" The fool hath said in his heart, There is no                      God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

    Proverbs 14:5  "A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. "

Think carefully about this Proverb, and now know the why, so many hate the Bible's teachings! Please read all of Proverbs 14, for within it is great wisdom.

                          ZEITGEIST... GERMAN FOR ZEIT = TIME; GEIST = SPIRIT

From a DVD presentation within this DVD:  "The more you investigate, where we came from, or where you think we are going, the more you see we've been lied too. We have been lied to by many institutions, so what makes you think for one minute that the religious institution is the only one that has never been toughed?   The religious institutions of this world are at the bottom of the dirt.  The religious institutions of this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government rough education, who set your international banking cartel because our masters don't give a @#$%^  about you or your family. They only care about, what the3y've always cared about is that in controlling the whole #$%^& earth. We have been led away from the divine and true, in the universe, that men have called God. I don't know what God is, but I do know what He isn't. But unless and until you are prepared to look at the whole truth, where ever it may go, and to wherever it may lead to, or if you want to look the other way, or if you want to play favourites,  somewhere along the way you are messing with Divine Justice. The more you educate yourself, the more you know where things comes from, the obvious things is knowing the truth and seeking the truth and the truth will set you free."
   "They must find it difficult... those who have taken authority as the truth, Rather than truth as the authority. I gotta tell you the truth folks I gotta tell you the truth, when it come to #$%^&^&   big time mayor league $%^&.  you have to stand in awe, of the all-time champion of of false promises exaggerated claims, religion! Thank about it , religion actually convinced  people, that there is actually an invisible God in the clouds, living in the sky, watching everything you, every minute of every day, and this invisible man has a special list of Ten things He does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things he has a special full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and hanging, where he will send you to suffer to smoke and burn and scream and cry forever and ever until the end of time But He loves you!He loves you and He needs money, he always needs money, yet He is all powerful all knowing all wise, yet somehow He just  can't handle money . Religion takes in billions of dollars, and they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more Now you talk about a good #$%^ story Holy #$%^ "

Note: all the @#$%, are bleeped words, and this "Movie" goes on and the the speaker takes it all back to ancient Babylon, but he is really confusing, and confused  in his analysis. If he truly self educated himself in the Bible, with prayers asking for wisdom to understand, he would have learned that Yes, men have introduced error in religion, but how can that be blamed on God? He gave us all a free-will, so all can chose Him or Satan to serve and worship.
    If anyone cares to read Hislop's  "The Two Babylons", you too can learn about all the error men have introduced into Religion, Christian religion in particular! But he can not yet see, nor has he learned that Christianity is not a religion but a way of living this fleshly life! To improve, with help and workings of the Holy Spirit, to transform our our character to be like Christ!  Really all one needs to do is to take "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine little book and any Bible and compare the two, you'll ab amazed the amount of error men have introduced in so-called Religion! In Fact I urge you to find my posts where this has been done!


   His concept, of God is far removed from the Bible, and God's Judgements! Even though He wiped out all life on land, that was not saved in the Ark, He gave mankind 120 years to change their ways Genesis 6:3  "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."
Plus he used Noah and his family, a total of 8 adults to try to change the hearts of their neighbors, who totally refused to accept his pleas, Yet when animals that god had gathered, began to arrive with carnivores following their prey, did they not take notice of this glaringly not normal facts?  Remember, none are so blind as those unwilling to see!
   Plus this man, totally ignores the Messiah, and all prophecy, but he is after all listed as an entertainer!  All this makes me feel sorry for this man, hoping that he gains enough wisdom to accept truth of god rather than man's lies.

     Yet here is a man who has some concept of God, yet he seems not to be able to stand the rubbish he has been fed. I have great sympathy with that, as he is but one of millions, who have been mistaught. For example there is but one God, one savior and one word, yet world-wide there something like 40,000 "Christian?" denominations! So how can each claim to be nothing but, and the whole truth of God? Especially if they take not the word at face value, and properly divide the word between the literal and the symbolic? This comes to men only by prayer filled studies!
NOTE  [(J.B.) I spent a couple of years researching the Christian churches, and found that of all researched , that the Seventh-day Adventist Church, followed the Bible much more closely than any other, therefore I was baptized and became a member, a Deacon and head of Personal Ministry, and Sabbath School teacher, the last 6+ years. If you doubt that prayers work, as a 40 year plus smoker, I had no trouble quitting, this habit, in fact quitting was easily done a few times a day. But when I discarded all the things, that go with it, got on my knees and and asked MY Father, to remove all thoughts and cravings from me, it was nearly 3 weeks latter when a friend, a smoker, came by and I told him "You you I love you as a brother, but smoking makes you stink, really bad to non-smokers"! He still smokes! Looking back over time I can see His hand in my life, all for the better.

    Back to the "Man in the Fire" Our Savior Jesus Christ.

    Professor Veth, was where this man is, for being brought up a catholic, with a Lutheran Mother, who was dying of cancer, a Nun at school, told him that his Mon, not being Catholic, would die and go to hell to be burned for ever and ever. He was but a lad of eight, at the time, and that did not sit well with him! He became an atheist, University Professor of Biology, all  because his Mom did not accept a SPECIFIC brand of Christianity! {Note no church, no person can save you, only Jesus is able to save anyone]  He stayed that way until he began to seriously question evolution as his knowledge of Biology increased, he began to study the Bible, as he found serious flaws in man's ideas of how life began!

     Now, just because one calls self a "Christian", does not always indicate Biblical Pursuits. One group calling itself the "Jesus Seminar",  and they go around the world, "TRAINING" Seminary teachers, via their seminars.
   Within these "Seminars" they teach about horrific, and gross parental misconduct of the Father as He pours out His wrath on His Son. They deny the divinity of Christ, the virgin birth and the resurrection of Jesus.
      Modern Society discards Jesus, without regard to prophecy, as figments of the imagination on the one hand, and embraces all religions as divinely inspired on the other.
{is this not a confusing dichotomy?]
     Today there are anti-Trinitarian movements, Israel vision movements, Judea-Christian conglomerates.
    We all seem to want this "Christian euphoria" , and the peace of mind it brings, BUT don NOT bother me with the details like study the Bible!  [Note ,Sorry we can't "SIT" in it and absorb it its contents by osmosis!]

  With so many "Denominations," "Christianity," is the most divided religion on earth! There's an old axiom that says, "Divide and rule/conquer, and guess who is doing the dividing but Satan?   Please look up the word denomination in any collegiate dictionary and find the ROOT meaning means to divide!
   As for the atheist, he believes in everything, but not in God!
   Here is one speakers, in his own words:  "If God would allow this horrific actions to be taken against His own Son, just what KIND OF GOD are we talking about? If He did this to his own Son, we should hate the Father, but love the Son!If in our human inadequacy, would God do what to us?
    This is far amiss, from the Bible, that it boggles the mind , how anyone who takes the time and effort not to mention the expense of attending a seminary school, would have so little knowledge of the Bible, to sit there and swallow this filth, while paying for it!
    However, anyone can ONLY fall into this satanic trap, if one denies the divinity of Christ, by stating He was but a good man!  If one holds that Jesus as but a Created being, and God chose Him to pour out His wrath upon, this is where you end up!

   On the other hand, If we accept Christ as a divine being, who is punishing who?   This Jesus took upon HIMSELF, as payment in full for all sins for all time by all humanity!

    John 14:8-10  "Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him,                                  Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath                         seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
      John 17:11  "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy                              Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be                               one, as we are."
Note: The Godhead are three entities, with three sets of works, united in a common purpose, God The Father, God the Savior Son, and ,God the Holy Spirit! The how to man is not known, the why is because God loves us! And love will not allow Him to torture us, not even those who reject Him. T^he forever and ever part, is a fixed time frame to achieve, His desired result, Sodom's fires went out a long, long time ago!
All other ideas stem from Biblical illiteracy!

    Thus Christ and Cross is not wrath being poured out, but "THE PRICE THAT NEEDED TO BE PAYED, BY GOD HIMSELF, IN THE FORM OF JESUS CHRIST. WHO CAME TO SHOW US THE FATHER!"  READ ROMANS 6:23.  {Please know that
Christ was both God and man, in one body, ONLY A GOD can do this!

BISHOP TUTU {Bishop of S. Africa and Nobel Prize winner. " when you read Jesus ascended into heaven you should not believe that He got some kind of ecclesiastical lift, do you?" It is not to be taking literally, , it is there to give us tremendous hope, but neither should the resurrection from death to life be taken literally!

    So here is a man known all over the world, as Anglican/Catholic Bishop, who says he does not believe in Christ's Ascension , nor in His resurrection from death to life.Yet he's "FEEDING HIS FLOCK"? WHAT?

Prof. Marcus Borg: member of the Jesus Seminar: "I believe in the resurrection of Jesus, but that his body was eaten by dogs, but that he was but a living reality , by his followers who kept on experiencing it, after His death"
Borg is a well respected theologian, by many, but I (J.B.) ask WHY? With these views why?
  So what does this make Jesus out to be, but a normal man as we all are, right?

POPE BENEDICT xvi  MEATS INTERRELIGIOUS LEADERS, SAYS DIALOGUE DISCOVERS TRUTH. 

By Regina Linsky Catholic News Service;
Washington {CNS}. Pope Benedict XVI encouraged interreligious leaders to work not only for peace but for the discovery of the truth. The Pope told about 200 representatives of Islam, Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism gathered as the Pope John Paul II Cultural center in Washington April 17 "to preserve in their collaboration" to serve society and enrich public life."

So here is the top man, telling all these leaders to get together and search for truth!  Bur where is the truth in that which is error? For there is not ONE Savior in any of these faiths, but one, and they are still waiting for Him to come, and rejected Christ who has already come once! How will they handle this truth....???

      John 14:6  "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,                               but by me."

What are all these going to do with this one?
      John 17:17  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

 Psalms 119:142 " Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth."

   How, will this not be a great problem, remembering God's 4th Law the Sabbath, which some hold as Friday, some Saturday and the rest Sundays?
     So, by definition, this must be a NEW TRUTH, that allows all these to be satisfied, as all are so divergent, one from another.Thus a NEW TRUTH must be found!

Author Patrick Campbell " The Mythical Jesus" and Episcopal Bishop J.S. Spong are two of a number of individuals who have suggested that "..virgin birth account {is a} ...clearly recognized mythological element in our faith tradition whose purpose was not to describe a literal event but to capture the transcendent dimensions of God in the earthbound words and concepts of first century human beings."

   How so NOT Biblical is this? They are thinking of God's powers in human terms, that like the ant telling the elephant to move or get a whipping.. If any has really dug into the book of John, and know just how deep he brings into the Word, by gosh these two guys must think the the first century people where knuckle dragging, club carrying cave men!

Funk from the Jesus Seminar wrote: [Ibid Thesis 6 and 7] "We should give Jesus a demotion. It is no longer credible to think of Jesus as divine. Jesus' divinity goes together with the old theistic way of thinking about God.....     the plot early Christians invented for a divine redeemer figure as is archaic as the mythology in which it is framed. A jesus who drops down from Heaven, performs some magical act that frees human beings from the power of sin, rises from the dead, and return to heaven is simply no longer credible. The notion that he will return at the end of time and sit in cosmic judgement is equally incredible. We must find a now plat for a more credible Jesus."
    "In the rearticulating the vision of Jesus, we should take care to express ourselves in the same register he employed in his parables and aphorisms- pradox, hyperbole, exaggeration, and metaphor. Further, our reconstructions of his vision should be professional, always subject to modification and correction" [Ibid.,
Thesis 21]

OK but..... Hebrews 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

  Who else says this? Bishop Desmond Tutu the Anglican Bishop of S. Africa! I wonder if this is the reason he won the Nobel Prize? But then the the Bible becomes a bigger problem, right? Yet remember his corrections are always subject to what?  MODIFICATIONS AND CORRECTIONS, well excuse me but truth is truth, and so remains as truth!

    Revelation 22:18-19  "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of                                      this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the                                   plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

    Matthew 4:4  "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by                             every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

  Yet these so-called MODERN theologians say NO

    Colossians 2:8  "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

Ibid Funk's "The Coming Radical Reformation, Thesis 20."
   A FUNK QUOTE: --Commandments.
A Christianity without God must reject the Commandments of God the Father and Jesus Christ, thus giving way to moral relativism. Funk proclaimed: "The Bible does not contain fixed, objective standards of behaviour that should govern human behaviour for all time. This includes the ten commandments as well as the admonitions of Jesus".

    Isaiah 5:20-24  "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!  Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!  Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel."

    So forgive me, but I am only quoting these men and the Holy Bible they seem to have no use for!

A Man named GEERING, another, well know theological thinker, within his circles of thought has this to say in  "IN CHRISTIANITY WITH GOD."  {note IS that not as saying bacon within shedding of blood?} "There is no place for the traditional figure of christ as the divine Savior.Yet there is certainly a place fort Jesus the teacher, the man of wisdom., the one revitalized the path to freedom. Of relevance to us in not the Jesus who was elevated into a mythical heaven, but the Jesus, the fully human person who shared the tensions, enigmas and uncertainties that we experience. It is Jesus who told stories which shocked people out of their traditional ways of thinking and behaving who can free us from the mind-sets in which we have become imprisoned. The Jesus most relevant to to us is he who provided no ready -made answers but by his tantalizing stories prompting people to work out their won most appropriate answers to the problems of life. That is why the parables of the good Samaritan and the Prodigal son will be remembered long after the historical confessions and creeds have  been forgotten.

 I must confess I really feel sorry for these people, who can read but not comprehend the Word of God. It seems that 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 speaks almost directly to them in the first 10 or so verses.

Hre goes to Blather this:   "Christianity can exist without god. Indeed "Christianity without God" has actually been in our midst for quite some time. It has been coming quietly, unheralded and unnoticed....It was "Christianity without gout god", which made it possible the series of emancipation mentioned above. Indeed, they many eve be regarded as manifestations of the coming of the very Kingdom, of which Jesus spoke. Just as the early church saw evidence of the coming of the kingdom in such events as 'The deaf hear, the lame walk, lepers are cleansed, and deaf hear.', so we may say that, though there is yet a long way to go, we can rejoice to see positive changes taking place."

   ".....;there is increasing personal freedom to think and to speak, the slaves are being freed, Patriarchy is crumbling. homosexuals are free to "come out", weapons of mass destruction are being widely condemned, racist attitudes are being overcome, equality of the sexes is being achieved, the disadvantaged are no longer being ignored, human worth and values are being increasingly honored  ."
[Christianity without God] pp.145-14.

So, out with the old religion and in with the new, right? But please tell me where all this goodness is par for the course of life! It is not in any Nation That this man has heard of, about Y O U?

MORE FUNK:  RE: Conon.... "The Coming Radical reformation, Thesis 19"
   An other FUNKISM:   "The New Testament is a highly uneven and biased record of orthodox attempt to invent Christianity.The canon of scripture adopted by traditional Christianity should be constructed and expanded simultaneously to reflect respect for the old tradition and openness to the new. Only the works of strong poets-- those who strale us, amaze us with a glimpse of what lies beyond the rim of present sight-should be considered for inclusion. The canon should be a collection of scriptures without a fixed text and without either inside or outside limits, like the myth of King Arthur and the knights of the round table, or the myth of the American west."

What a fascinating collection of words, that make nothing but non-sense.

    Matthew 24:4  "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you."

    I hope dear reader, that Y O U can see through all this smoke, to make a new Jesus, a "Universal Jesus", or the "Cosmic Christ", one that fits within all of earth's man-made religions, without too much objection from any of them! Thus earth and mankind being made ready to accept the New world Order, the One world government, run by the Little Horn power esconded in Rome! She has never forgotten the power she held during the dark Ages, and has been hard at work to regain that position, again, yet this also was foretold in the Bible's books of Daniel, of Revelations and books by both John and Peter!
    It is very sad, indeed, that so many refuse to learn what the Word of God tells us in simple terms, if prayers are used while learning it.
     You see if all humans can come together under this NON Divine Christ Jesus and hold hands singing Kumbaya Then Rome shall indeed regain her former power position but this time the whole earth! Under the to Kings!

     Revelation 17:12  "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

   Please do not let these words throw you for a loop, read Daniel to find out what these powers/beasts are, they are fully I.D.

     Then there's Elmar R. Gruber and Holger Kersten who authored this gem: " Did Buddhism influence Early Christianity"?

   These two minds, have written all the parallels between Christianity and Buddhism, and say SEE? Well if one want s to COUNTERFEIT money or Christianity, then one must use the original s to begin with, right! I mean who in their right minds are willing to print and pass $15.00 dollars denomation bills!

    Yet we are forced to be reminded of one rather large factor, Christianity and Christ are THE ONLY one who offer atonement for wrongful deeds, no other of earth's religions has that grace, offered to mankind!
  Yet these two characters, put Jesus on par with Buddha in one picture, and in an other Jesus is shown with Krishna.  Yet a closer look at these two drawings both show the "Jesus" figure just a mite lower than the others!
   Buddhism teaches that One must make self empty, of thoughts, that allows one to reach the state of Nirvana, and Cosmic fusion,  and that is the point of nothingness!  Yet Christianity teaches....

    John 15:11  "These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy                                might be full."
Thus the two are diametrically opposed to each other, but they say "That's OK as we believe in Jing-Yang."
What the Delia -Lama believes seems to fine with the Popes John Paul ,Benedict, and Frances, as all have been pictured greeting each other as long lost brothers, even the Delia -Lama is seen whispering in Bishops Tutu's ear, something that made his smile!Please know an mind made empty is Satan's house, as he moves in.

http://www.tradition.com/cooment/com/070',htm    an see there a picture of "Christ as Buddha in Newrome's Newest Church in Neendakara Panshayat, India. Please make note of the right hand Trident sign! This is a very prominent sign in the Occult world!

IN THE MAGICIAN'S WORLD OF LEVITATION:

    March 29, 2003 Pope endorses cult of a 17th Century flying monk!  St. Joseph of Copertino.
This monk faced the inquisition charges, but he flew away ove3r the hills of Rome so they made his a saint instead.
  Levitation can be defined as that phenomenon which a person lifts from the earth and stays suspended in the air. The Vatican says this is obviously a gift from God to the Mystics of the Catholic church. There was also Padre Pio of  Pietreleimenon had such a gift, as he was often seen by witnesses while he was lifted above the earth.

   OK, well seeing that angels are not now visible to us in normal circumstances, neither the good nor the bad. The angels that fell with Satan can lift anyone willing ,up in the air, seemingly to levitate, as none of the Bibles miracles, are not as parlour tricks, but have a direct purpose.

                  ECUMENICAL BUDDHISM: AND MORE....
 

    Buddhism (as well as Taoism, and Confucianism) explained, especially for the Western Christian mind. An exploration of what united Buddhism and Eastern Thought, to mother more Western religions, rather that what separates them. Yes, this blog is somewhat universalistic in it syncretism or ecumenism---saying that a Christian, a saint or even Jesus the Christ can be a Buddhist.... but also that a Buddhist, a Bodhisattva, or even a a Buddha can be a traditional, orthodox , Christian too".  o9 Sept. 2007.

  Both John Paul II and Benedict have been blessed with the "Sign of the Tilak" { the red dot, the sign of Shevah,* {The Bindi) in India and receiving a Aborigine "Blessing" while at Benedict was in Sydney in WYD 2008. Thus becoming "all things to all men"
 
* the reading of Blavatsky's books will tell you that Shevah is synonymous with Lucifer.

Pope John Paul II with an VOODOO PRIEST Assisi in 1986. This "religion" as it is  so, by its followers, began in Benin W. Africa, and now is in wide practice in Haiti and the Antilles and around New Orleans. It is characterized by various rites of homage to the "Great Master" or good God, who is the creator of the spirits responsible for protecting human beings. The great God and the spirits identified with the Christian god and the saints of the Catholic church. The calendar of voodoo feast imitates that of Rome's worships feasts.
    Voodoo ceremonies consists of rituals (as does Rome's) invoking the4 spirits and the great God and are marked by drums and songs accompanying an animal sacrifice. The rite culminates in a trance in which a ritual dancer is thought to be possessed by a divinity,{allowe a lesser god} {Note Sorry nothing divine about dark spirits}Ceremonies are conducted by a man (Hungan) or a woman (mambo), who are often knowledgeable about witchcraft..

That last word witchcraft should clue you in that Satan is within this mess!
 No Problem with any of this for the Vatican, who has endorsed Shamanism in Africa, and North America.

John Paul II Met with the Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq before whom he kissed the Qu'ran! {But he hold Church traditions above that of the Holy Bible!

Please remember what the word ecumenism means above all unity general or universal, hence "The Universal Christ"!

TAKEN FROM: "l'Osservatore Romano, Weekly Edition in English , 12 May 1999, p.11.

"Muslims, like Jews and Christians, see the figure of Abraham as a model of unconditional submission to the decrees of god. {Nostra aetate, n.3} . Following Abraham's example, the faithful strive give God, His rightful place in their lives as the origin, teacher, guide and ultimate destiny of all beings {Pontifical council for Inter religious Dialogue, Message to Muslims for the end of Ramadan, 1717/1997]. This human docility and openness to god's will is translated into an attitude of prayer which expresses the existential condition of every person before the Creator."

  Can you begin to see that this whole ecumenical business must pull down Jesus Christ as to a mere man? He has no equal in ANY OTHER of earth's religions does He? So that all can become one, Jesus must be reconfigured!  You see why they mentioned Abraham? Not to any other latter Personage from the Jews 12 tribes? They both revere Abraham, but that Islamic reverence stops at Abraham period!

In a letter written by Pope John Paul II, addressed to "My beloved Muslim brothers and sisters," the Pope said:  "  I close my greeting to you with the words of one of my predecessors Pope Gregory VII, who i n 1076 wrote to Al-Nasir, the Muslim ruler of Bijaya, present day Algeria: "We believe in and confess one God, admittedly in a different way, and daily praise and venerate him, the creator of the world and the ruler of this world."

  Pleased know, this is not a knock against the Muslims, for they are very ardent in their faith.  And most want to do what is right.

      C.N.S. Catholic NEWS SERVICE BY JERRY FLITEAU:

POPE MAKES IMPORTANT OVERTURES TO NON-CHRISTIAN Religions:
Washington (CNS) More than any other pontiff in modern history, Pope John Paul II made important overtures to non-Christian religions, using documents, prayers meetings and personal visits to open doors of dialogue."
     " Pope John Paul advanced the4 church's sometimes difficult relations with Islam by visiting a mosque, speaking to Muslims groups on his foreign trips and insisting on full religious freedom in foreign countries under Islamic law."


     "Pope John Paul was convinced that prayer could bring believers together, an idea that inspired the 1986 World Day of Prayer for Peace in Assisi, Italy."
    "That unprecedented gathering at the Pope's invitation drew leaders of Jews, Buddhists, Shintoists, Muslims, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Unitarians, traditional African and Native American religions and many others. Together, under the roof of the Basilica of st. Francis, they all prayed, side by side, with the Catholic Orthodox and protestant leaders, for world peace."

In the UM-BYaht (sp?) Mosque in the Syrian capitol city of Damascus, one of the world's oldest, within this building is shrine, which reputedly contains the head of John The Baptist, plus in two other locations is Turkey that claim to hold two other body parts of the him.

End of Part 1.  Part 2 follows.

Questions?   Comments?  John at www.servant@frontier.com

Want more? Visit your Seventh-day Adventist Church any Saturday/Sabbath between 9-10 AM. You just may find that Jesus can fill that void in your heart.

Thanking Y O U for your time  jb
Other sites: www.blbn.org  wwwitiswritten.com  www.amazingdiscoveries.org [source of this mat,]

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